| The Tonto Succession Game, Part 1 |
| This game was originally played by three of us at Tonto Clan: Myself,
Berrys, and Stormboy, between August and November of 2002, when everyone
lost interest and the game ended. This, part 1, is the original
thread, with most of the extraneous posting deleted and other minor
editing done. The original thread, should you decide to read it,
is here.
And now, on to the game. |
| Marius, 8/27/02 |
| Settings:
Version: Civ 3 1.29f (Part 1), PTW 1.27f (Part 2) 4000 BC (1) - Chief Marius of the French comes to the throne. The French are an industrious and commericial civilization, although somewhat to Marius' confusion, money has yet to be invented. Perhaps we can trade using chickens or something. Our workers are legendary, each possessing the strength of two men. Being the clever people we are, the French can build big buildings with masonry, then write inscriptions on them with our highly expensive alphabet technology. Unfortunately, some forbearer in the distant ages of French civilization chose pink as our color. Pink! Chief Marius sighed, and surveyed the surroundings. And they were...good.
Holy floodplains, Batman! 3650 BC (8) - Zzzzzz... 3600 BC (9) - Paris grows to size 2, just in time for the workers to
complete the second flood plains irrigation. 3150 BC (18) - Zzzzzz... 3100 BC (19) - Workers begin building a road to connect Paris and a
conjectured second city site. Warriors discover herds of elephants
to the north.
Here's France at the end of my reign. Bleak, isn't it? Perhaps
less so than one might imagine, though. We've got at least two
cities with massive amounts of floodplains, and red dot over there has
access to all kinds of good stuff, and will most likely be our best city
with some care. We've also got ivory potential up there in the
plains, so there's at least one luxury. Still, beyond that looks
pretty ugly. The dots on the map there are my suggested city
placement sites, for when we get a settler or two. I'd go for red
dot first, for the reasons mentioned above. Blue dot we may or may
not want there, but I think anywhere we put it, it's going to suck, but
the way I've got it, we save the hills for a hopefully better location to
the west, we still net the ivory, and we keep a reasonably close distance
to Paris. |
| Stormboy, 8/28/02 |
21.) 3050 BC: Chief Stormboy the First finds himself in charge of the French people. His first executive decision is to give the overcrowded city of Paris (pop 3) some entertainment (10%). For now, we'll keep using tax to keep the people happy. 22.) 3000 BC: The warriors continue to explore. One finds grassland with a cow, just south of Paris. 23.) 2950 BC: The area near the grazing cow seems perfect for shield production. We've decided to build a city there, that way we'll be able to quickly train new troops, should we need them. Our worker's building a road to the south. A barbarian hut is spotted. 24.) 2900 BC: Our warrior gets 25 gp from the generous Bulgar tribe. 25.) 2850 BC: The outlines of a mysterious purple town are discovered northwest of Paris! One of our warriors will investigate. 26.) 2800 BC: Our people go about their business. 27.) 2750 BC: Our people go about their business. 28.) 2710 BC: It turns out the mysterious purple city is called Niagara Falls, and belongs to the Iroquois people! They are more advanced than we are, but they don't know the Alphabet. We trade our knowledge of the Alphabet and 33 gp for Ceremonial Burial and Warrior Code. 29.) 2670 BC: Our research of the Wheel has finished, we find some horses west of Paris, not far from the city border. Encouraged by this discovery, our wise men start researching Horseback Riding. We've also decided not to share our knowledge of the Wheel with the Iroquois people. Iroquois warriors mounted on horseback is not something we'd like to see in the near future. ;) 30.) 2630 BC: Our worker has started to get the area south of Paris ready for building a new city. 31.) 2590 BC: Paris' population has grown (pop 4), we're providing more entertainment (20%). 32.) 2550 BC: We've discovered the Iroquois capital of Salamanca, north of Niagara Falls. 33.) 2510 BC: One of our warriors disturbs a group of barbarians while he's searching through their hut. 34.) 2470 BC: The barbarians are defeated, our warrior has gained much experience. The Seljuk tribe was more friendly, they kindly showed us how to make Pottery. 35.) 2430 BC: Our people go about their business. 36.) 2390 BC: Our settler is finally ready and moves south. A new settler is being trained in Paris. 37.) 2350 BC: Both our warriors have a brief encounter with a lone barbarian, they come out victorious. Some dyes are discovered in a forest west of Salamanca. 38.) 2310 BC: Paris keeps growing rapidly (pop 3), 2 barbarian encampments are discovered. 39.) 2270 BC: The city of Orléans is founded! Its people start training a warrior. A lone barbarian is moving towards Paris, but none of our troops can get there in time to defend it! Elsewhere, one of our warriors has destroyed the camp of the Gepid barbarians. 40.) 2230 BC: The barbarian Zapotec tribe is wiped out. After trying one last time to buy technologies from the Iroquois, Stormboy the First retires. |
| Marius, 8/28/03 |
| And here's the screenshot I got sent:
Good stuff. Orleans looks like it's in a great position, though
it does sort of lack access to the sea. Ah well. It'll be a
good productive city soon enough anyway. |
| Berrys, 9/1/02 |
| The next thrilling installment 41) Taking the throne in 2230BC Emperor Berrie de Beret consults his advisors only to find that his treasury is pretty bare and that his economy has zero growth. On top of that his science advisors claim that the nation is backward. His first command is that the entire nation wear berets. He hopes that this will frighten off the barbarians descending upon Paris. 42) The Hunnic barbarian hordes are not fooled by the beret ploy and sack Paris. Emperor Berrie orders that this must never happen again and changes production to Warrior instead since it would now take 20 turns to produce a settler. He also commands that a road be built to the north of Orleans and west of Paris so that the horses found there in abundance may be imported to Paris. 43) Our trusty explorers discover grapes to the far east of Paris. The citizenry rejoice at the prospect of the fine wines that the area will one day produce. 44) The area surrounding the grapes turns out to be a rich and fertile area that also is the home to vast numbers of horses. Orleans produces a warrior and switches production to settler. Unfortunately more barbarians are descending upon Paris. 45) The proposed spot for the wine capital of the world also turns out to have a herd of cows nearby. The barbarian threatening Paris has a scrap with someone outside of our line of sight. The people love the distinguished rule of Emperor Berrie so much they offer to expand his palace. 46) Centuries pass and the people sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labours whilst the trusty warriors continue exploring the world. 47) More exploration 48) One of the Warrior explorers bumps into a Babylonian settler
heading towards OUR grapes. Emperor Berrie, seeing that the Babylonians
are a backward nation and cannot even spell their own names yet,
immediately sends emissaries to the court of Hamurabi to negotiate the
trading of the Alphabet for Bronze Working. Paris produces a Warrior. 58) Shitty death! there's three of them. Luckily Orleans has just
produced a spearman. |
| Marius, 9/1/02 |
| Before I get started, some pictures from Berrys' reign: France, 1475 BC
Paris, 1475 BC:
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| Marius, 9/1/02 |
| 1475 BC (1) - Upon the death of Emperor Berrie, the Palace Guards took
it upon themselves to elect as Chief their General, one Marianus. Chief
Marianus went to the tallest tower in the palace (which wasn't all that
tall), and was able to look out over all the lands he ruled (which
weren't very many). The treasury, on the other hand, was full, and
the French had a number of nice technologies, and very soon they would
discover the secrets of iron working. This was good. Unfortunately,
there was the slight problem of a major war with the Iroquois, who were
massively larger than France and had a giant military bearing down on
Paris. Worse yet, expansion room was hampered by Babylonians to
the northeast. Someone was going to have to go, and it may as well
be the Iroquois, thought Chief Marianus. Along those lines, production in Paris was switched out of settlers, all of whom were put to work on a new fortification project to protect the capitol from the Iroquois hordes. Orleans quickly scrounged up a supply of stone axes to arm some militia with, and Lyons switched to producing archers. (Rationalizations: We're in a fairly intense war right now, and as good as settlers are, we need a strong Paris for military production, and we need it RIGHT NOW. And since our capitol is in danger of being overrun, walls it was. Similarly, Orleans needs a defensive unit RIGHT NOW.) 1450 BC (2) - Iroquois warriors advance towards Paris, looting, pillaging, and performing unlawful acts with sheep as they came. Even worse, barbarian horsemen were spotted on the borders of France. Fortunately for France, the citizens of Paris all pitched in to construct the walls, which were completed in the early part of the year. 1425 BC (3) - The completion of the Walls of Paris turned out to be just in time, as Iroquois warriors attacked and were defeated by French spearmen, who became veterans after the battle. To the north, the newly founded Babylonian city of Elippi was sacked by barbarians. Orleans completed it's warrior militia, and began training archers, while the French workers, fleeing from the battle, ran headlong into some barbarian Goths who gave them useless maps. 1400 BC (4) - In the Second Battle of Paris, barbarian horsemen were defeated handily as they attempted to cross a river near Paris and attack the walls. Since horsemen are not generally known for their utility in attacking impregnable fortress cities, they failed at no loss to the defenders. In celebration, Chief Marianus was presented with a demonstration of the proper ways to work iron, though the only French source of the material was at Lyons. The French workers, now fearless, began moving to Lyons to construct a road back to Paris. From Babylonia, word came that the Babylonians were constructing a great Wonder of the World, the Pyramids. Work began by French wise men on the study of mathematics. 1375 BC (5) - Chief Marianus watched in apprehension as three bands of warriors moved in on Paris.
1350 BC (6) - In the Third Battle of Paris, the glorious French
spearmen fended off not one, not two, but THREE bands of Iroquois
warriors, becoming elite in the process. Chief Marianus personally
led the Palace Guards in the final defense at the walls, challenging the
Iroquois general to single combat and besting the fool within seconds.
There's our archers, moving in on Alleghany. The way I see this, Alleghany isn't going to be the end. We MUST completely eradicate Hiawatha, or at worst reduce him to vassalage in one remaining city or something. Even if we can capture a couple few cities, rape him for techs and cash and such at the peace table, then hit him again 20 turns later when the peace deal wears off, I think we need to work in that direction. Because let's face it. We've got jack for good territory. That shred of grassland near Orleans, and the floodplain river city to the west. Everything else is either Babylonian or Iroquois, and we're at war with the Iroquois now, so... Kill. Maim. Hack. Slaughter. Settle those other spots once we make peace, and meanwhile concentrate on beating the piss out of Hiawatha. |
| Berrys, 9/2/02 |
| I largely agree, although on the territory side, we have no idea what is to the west and south east. You're right about Hiawatha - we need to at worst cripple him, and preferably wipe the Iroquois out. I was tempted to attack the Babylonian city in the north after the barbarians gave them a hard time, but then thought better of it since it's hard enough fighting a war against one opponent, let alone two. |
| Marius, 9/2/02 |
| I had those same pangs after seeing the barbarians beat up Elippi.
But like you said, a 2 front war... We'd be doing the 2nd Tonto SG
in pretty short order. As for where to go, I think the west is going to be largely Iroquois, or will by the time we get there. And the southeast looked pretty godawful to me. <shrug> |
| Stormboy, 9/2/02 |
| Stormboy II, a distant cousin of chief Stormboy I ascends the French
throne. 1225 BC: Our archers start marching towards Allegheny. It's time the Iroqouis are taught a lesson! France is still a small country, compared to its neighbours. To claim more land, we've started equipping a settler in Orleans. 1200 BC: In order to build more roads, so we can bring in resources and transport our troops more quickly, Paris has started recruiting another worker unit. 1175 BC: Lyon now has access to iron! A road to bring in ivory is next. 1150 BC: Our warrior/explorer makes contact with the Persian people. Unfortunately, they're a backwards and penniless lot. Their armed forces are smaller than ours as well. They won't be much help to us, but at least they're not much of a threat either. 1125 BC: Our people go about their business. 1100 BC: We've found an old map, dating back to the reign of Chief Marius. An area marked with a red dot, next to a gold mine, looks like a good place to build a new town. This will be a job for the newly recruited settler from Orleans. Since these are troubled times, we'll let the Orleans warrior guard accompany him on his journey. 1075 BC: Paris starts training another warrior unit. 1050 BC: We've discovered a Persian city named Arbela, southeast of the Babylonian empire. 1025 BC: Orleans has trained a warrior and is preparing to send out another settler. Lyon has started to build a barracks. 1000 BC: The Iroquois have sent an archer from Allegheny right next to the spot where we're assembling our own archer regiment. Without hesitation our troops engage and defeat the enemy, there are no casualties on our side. After a long reign, Stormboy II decides to retire. France is looking for a new ruler... |
| Stormboy, 9/2/02 |
| I'm not sure anymore if building a barracks in Lyon was a good idea.
Maybe that should be changed to a military unit or a worker, to irrigate
some of those plains. What are we gonna do about those horses just outside Paris? I see 3 options: 1) We forget about them for the time being and go with swordsmen instead. 2) We build a temple in Paris to make the city borders expand a bit faster. 3) We sacrifice a worker and build a colony on the horses. |
| Berrys, 9/2/02 |
| Temples are good for making people happy, but IIRC it takes a criminal
amount of time for French to build them (Compared with Egyptians and Iroquois
anyway). My gut feeling at the moment is to ignore them for now and go with swordsmen - maybe that Orleans will swallow them up instead :/ I'm about to go home soon and may be impetuous enough to just go ahead and play my turns without waiting for opinion from _Marius. (Muawahahahahaha!) |
| Marius, 9/2/02 |
| My opinion on the horsemen vs swordsmen issue: Horsemen bite. The
mobility is great, and if we were talking about knights or something,
I'd be all about it, but I'd rather have swords since they're a lot
stronger. Means we've got to get that road built, but. Say, another idea while I'm thinking about it. If we can make the diplo rounds each turn, and check if one of the comps has a worker we can buy, it'd be a great thing for us. We could use another one pretty badly. And yay! We're going for red dot! Stormboy's screenshot to follow... I've taken what Stormboy sent me, cut out the random Paris bits everyone's already seen, and since I'm here, I've added a couple things I'd like to talk about.
The French Army near Alleghany, 1000 BC. |
| Berrys, 9/3/03 |
| I didn't get chance to play my turns last night (mainly because we
went to the pub instead!). As a result I've been thinking a bit more
about the war with the Iroquois. 1) At the moment we don't have "Code of Laws", so we can only destroy cities rather than assimilate them. 2) In a prolonged war horsemen are going to be useful - Orleans can change production and produce a worker in 1 turn and form a horse colony the next turn. 3) Although the barracks at Lyons would be nice, what we need at the moment are fighters. Lots of them. So I think I'll change production to something like spearmen or more archers. 4) we need more food and shields at Paris, so the two workers, once they've completed hte road between Paris and Lyons should start irrigating and building mines. Anyone got any comments? |
| Berrys, 9/3/03 |
| Here's the next installment: 975 BC (1) - King Berrie de la Brie ascends to the throne of France and continues to prosecute the war against the Iroquois by advancing four archer units on Allegeheny. Workers are ordered to complete road from Lyons to Paris. 950 BC (2) - Paris produces warrior battalion and is ordered to move towards the defense of Lyons since Iroquois spearmen are advancing towards there. Barbarians in the mountains north of Paris are defeated and our coffers are swelled by their tribute of 25 gold. Our warriors, having climbed to the top of the mountain sight fertile lands supporting vineyards in profusion. King Berrie orders settlers to make haste there. Continue assembling assault force for taking Allegeheny. The Babylonians send emissaries to the court of King Berrie demanding tribute. They demand horseback riding – King Berrie tells them to get stuffed, but is prepared to do a deal of some sorts and proposes trading mysticism and 43 gold for mathematics the secrets of which our scientists have just discovered. News reaches the royal court that Iroquois spearman have destroyed the road to our Iron mine. :( 925 BC (3) - King Berrie, owing to the vast amount of gold in his treasury orders that the science budget be increased to 100%. Advance warrior up towards Lyons. The road from Paris to Lyons is completed. 900 BC (4) - Thinking that he has a decent force with which to attack Allegeheny, king Berrie orders that the assault begin. The French archers are no match for the Iroquois spearmen and are wiped out. :( 875 BC (5) - Found Rhiems - we have loads of grapes. Settler produced at Orleans. 850 BC (6) - Seeing that his forces have been wiped out and that the Iroquois have a very strong army, king Berrie, after consultation with his advisors decides that it would be expedient to sue for Peace. He proposes the following treaty with Hiawatha: Writing, mysticism, territory map and 81 gold in exchange for Mathematics and contact with Babylonians and Persians. Hiawatha agrees, and the people rejoice at the first moment of peace for more than a millennium. 825 BC (7) - However, peace didn't last very long, certainly on the domestic front: the citizens of Paris start rioting and demanding more entertainment. King Berrie orders some of the population to learn juggling. 800 BC (8) - News reaches Paris that the Babylonians are building The Oracle, and that everybody else is building pyramids. 775 BC (9) - The settlers from Orleans advance towards the fields of wheat. Workers are ordered to build roads, mines and irrigate around Paris. Due to expansion of the Persian Empire our explorer is caught napping in a hay field belonging to one of Xerses brothers. Xerses is not pleased and demands that the warriors be removed from his lands or that we declare war. Not wishin to engage in any more battle for the time being King Berrie lets the warriors move by themselves. 750 BC (10) - Advance settler a little more. Our dumb explorers moved the wrong way and are now trapped by the eastern coast. :( News reaches Paris of barbarian hordes advancing on Rheims. After living to the ripe old age of 125, King Berrie de la Brie is deposed in a bloody coup by Marianus II. |
| Marius, 9/3/03 |
| First the billions of screenshots from Berrys (thanks Berrys!)
France and the Iroquois Lands, 750 BC
And our new colony city. Commentary. |
